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Re: fire away
« Reply #15 on: October 19, 2009, 12:55:19 PM »
you asked for opinion and I (and others) are giving it.  No need to get snippy about things.  If you are going to respond to criticism by saying you know what you're doing because you mastered blahblah why bother making a thread like this?  Makes me think you're really just looking for a pat on the back.

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Re: fire away
« Reply #16 on: October 19, 2009, 12:58:56 PM »
Use gaussian blur on the gradient you are using for the background. Blur it a few times, then look at it as the background. It should get rid of those bars.
FANTASTIC. now thats usefull info.

Most of use gave you the same useful information, use more space.

you asked for opinion and I (and others) are giving it.  No need to get snippy about things.  If you are going to respond to criticism by saying you know what you're doing because you mastered blahblah why bother making a thread like this?  Makes me think you're really just looking for a pat on the back.

Indeed.  These are all suggestions, opinions, criticisms, etc... you don't have to implement them, you could use them to spark other ideas, you could completely disregard them.  No one is trying to degrade your site in any way, just ways we think could make it better.
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Re: fire away
« Reply #17 on: October 19, 2009, 01:02:47 PM »
you asked for opinion and I (and others) are giving it.  No need to get snippy about things.  If you are going to respond to criticism by saying you know what you're doing because you mastered blahblah why bother making a thread like this?  Makes me think you're really just looking for a pat on the back.
ive said nothing snippy. i have done nothing more then explain my point of view. "I just learned a neat trick and I want to show it off." is more snippy then anything i have siad. please dont start trying to get my thread closed, if it makes you uncomfortable i disagree with you then stop posting on it.

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Re: fire away
« Reply #18 on: October 19, 2009, 01:17:35 PM »
Use gaussian blur on the gradient you are using for the background. Blur it a few times, then look at it as the background. It should get rid of those bars.
FANTASTIC. now thats usefull info.


Most of use gave you the same useful information, use more space.

you asked for opinion and I (and others) are giving it.  No need to get snippy about things.  If you are going to respond to criticism by saying you know what you're doing because you mastered blahblah why bother making a thread like this?  Makes me think you're really just looking for a pat on the back.

Indeed.  These are all suggestions, opinions, criticisms, etc... you don't have to implement them, you could use them to spark other ideas, you could completely disregard them.  No one is trying to degrade your site in any way, just ways we think could make it better.
yes. as you can see i have used some of the suggestions on my site. reiterating what has been suggested, pointing out many have suggested the same is not in line with
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you could completely disregard thembecause clearly i have so why reiterate the point.

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Re: fire away
« Reply #19 on: October 19, 2009, 01:26:25 PM »
you asked for opinion and I (and others) are giving it.  No need to get snippy about things.  If you are going to respond to criticism by saying you know what you're doing because you mastered blahblah why bother making a thread like this?  Makes me think you're really just looking for a pat on the back.
ive said nothing snippy. i have done nothing more then explain my point of view. "I just learned a neat trick and I want to show it off." is more snippy then anything i have siad. please dont start trying to get my thread closed, if it makes you uncomfortable i disagree with you then stop posting on it.

I don't have a problem with you disagreeing with me.  But responding to "you should do xyz" with "I think I know what I'm doing, I'm a master" is a snippy way of disagreeing.  I don't even care if you wanna be snippy about it. I didn't say "don't be snippy or I'll close the thread." I said, "If you're going to respond like that, why bother even asking for people's opinions?"

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Re: fire away
« Reply #20 on: October 19, 2009, 01:35:16 PM »
you asked for opinion and I (and others) are giving it.  No need to get snippy about things.  If you are going to respond to criticism by saying you know what you're doing because you mastered blahblah why bother making a thread like this?  Makes me think you're really just looking for a pat on the back.
ive said nothing snippy. i have done nothing more then explain my point of view. "I just learned a neat trick and I want to show it off." is more snippy then anything i have siad. please dont start trying to get my thread closed, if it makes you uncomfortable i disagree with you then stop posting on it.

I don't have a problem with you disagreeing with me.  But responding to "you should do xyz" with "I think I know what I'm doing, I'm a master" is a snippy way of disagreeing.  I don't even care if you wanna be snippy about it. I didn't say "don't be snippy or I'll close the thread." I said, "If you're going to respond like that, why bother even asking for people's opinions?"
i have some things i feel could be better and some things that are such because of design concept out side of web design. voicing what i think is fine is not snippy. as you can see a lot of what was suggested has been implemented. i feel that shows my openness to suggestion. implying i just learned a new trick does not in any way give fact to what is wrong or right about that part of the site. and insist as you may, informing you that it was by no means a new trick due to my exp with css does not make it a snippy comment. and in totality this line of conversation dragging on will undoubtedly get the thread closed so if it does not pertain to fact based posting as the rules require why are these complaints not being sent as a pm.

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Re: fire away
« Reply #21 on: October 19, 2009, 01:44:51 PM »
i have some things i feel could be better and some things that are such because of design concept out side of web design. voicing what i think is fine is not snippy. as you can see a lot of what was suggested has been implemented. i feel that shows my openness to suggestion. implying i just learned a new trick does not in any way give fact to what is wrong or right about that part of the site. and insist as you may, informing you that it was by no means a new trick due to my exp with css does not make it a snippy comment. and in totality this line of conversation dragging on will undoubtedly get the thread closed so if it does not pertain to fact based posting as the rules require why are these complaints not being sent as a pm.

my intention was not to insult your html/css expertise.  My intention was to question your reasoning for your project ordering.  Your reasoning was that you did it on purpose to force people to notice the shadowing.  I was pointing out that that's not really the primary purpose of a site like that, and people aren't scrolling down to notice features, they are scrolling down to find info.  On your site you even said you have like 15s to grab someone by the balls so to speak.  So why are you making it harder for them to find what they are looking for? 

Good design is not just about making something look good.  It's about getting your point across; communicating.  It's like if I were to go to a car dealership and I'm walking around the showroom, and I ask the salesman about the mpg on a car or how it rates in the crash tests etc... and instead he's trying to show me all the shiny buttons and stuff.  That's what I feel like your site is doing, the purpose of that comment. That's my opinion, take it or leave it. If you disagree and think it's fine, then okay.  I have no issues with disagreeing.  But when you're like "I am a html/css master I know what I'm doing" sort of thing, it sounds snippy and more like you aren't interested in being critiqued.  I think maybe you just took it the wrong way and both of us have been progressively making it out to be a much bigger deal than it is.
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Re: fire away
« Reply #22 on: October 19, 2009, 02:06:19 PM »
thats a lot easier for me to understand. i will be adding a contact form. but as far as the content, its intended to leave you wanting more. the fact that it was noticed by most that their should be more tells me its doing what its intended to do. the pricing and prospect of long term management may not stick out to anyone in the industry but that, the pricing, and short sweet information, is all together(looking at the forest) is what will appeal to the hundreds of potential clients in my local area that have to pay gobs for minor upgrades or have been ripped off by designers they can no longer make contact with(go fig) or the "do it youselfers" that have finally given in to pay someone to do it. i did a lot of talking to bis owners around here and did some reading on the psyc part of design. keep in mind im selling managed services. those kind of customers dont want to be bothered with facts and figures other then what its going to cost them, thats why they opt for a managed service. nobody buys a benz for gas mileage or reliability. i mostly wanted suggestions on aesthetics but the bad spelling notice was an added bonus. all im saying is i didnt post because im clueless, i have a "business" model to stick to and a targeted demographic. the site needed to look better but you cant change everything about the game in the first quarter.

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Re: fire away
« Reply #23 on: October 19, 2009, 02:13:09 PM »
and yes im sure my poor spelling leaves you all with the same first impression it has been leaving my site visitors with. that was a very costly oversight and appreciate the noticing bad spelling.

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Re: fire away
« Reply #24 on: October 19, 2009, 02:15:28 PM »
I dont know what program you are using to edit the image. But from my experience with Photoshop, I found that small incremented gaussian blurs worked well when applied a bunch of time. This will keep the gradient looking like the original gradient you intended, but a lot smoother. Also, in Photoshop, I would use 'Save for web' as opposed to plain old save as.

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Re: fire away
« Reply #25 on: October 19, 2009, 02:21:39 PM »
I dont know what program you are using to edit the image. But from my experience with Photoshop, I found that small incremented gaussian blurs worked well when applied a bunch of time. This will keep the gradient looking like the original gradient you intended, but a lot smoother. Also, in Photoshop, I would use 'Save for web' as opposed to plain old save as.
im using gimp and it has "save for web" but thus far i have cheated on things like this by starting it as an over sized image then down scaling it to smooth it out.
but if i understand use the 5px by 5px blur but apply it several times?

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Re: fire away
« Reply #26 on: October 19, 2009, 02:25:41 PM »
k i found a cool tutorial that i think does what you are talking about

http://www.gimp.org/tutorials/Blur_Overlays/

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Re: fire away
« Reply #27 on: October 19, 2009, 05:44:55 PM »
Use save for web. You can optimize for web colors, which can produce different shades from monitor to monitor if not taken care of.

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Re: fire away
« Reply #28 on: October 20, 2009, 07:39:52 AM »
A few things I noticed.
  • your site does not scale at all (try increasing the font size and you will see the problem)
  • You are using multiple <br/> tags to push content down
  • You have used lots of empty div tags (do a search for 'divitis')
  • Your h2 tag appears above your h1 tag
  • What is target='new'?
  • Your HTML contains 20 errors

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Re: fire away
« Reply #29 on: October 20, 2009, 01:30:22 PM »
A few things I noticed.
  • your site does not scale at all (try increasing the font size and you will see the problem)
  • You are using multiple <br/> tags to push content down
  • You have used lots of empty div tags (do a search for 'divitis')
  • Your h2 tag appears above your h1 tag
  • What is target='new'?
  • Your HTML contains 20 errors
hey is i saw your w3validator hit. what you got was my sorry page because i block certain browser types lol. did you read my source on my site and compare it to the w3 output lmao. of course not. i dont use br to push anything on my site i use a css layout thats why i block certain browsers. the sorry page has lots of br because its pure html so all html only browsers can view it seperatly. thanks for the read tho.

oh and i use some css3 as well so ie7 makes it look like dodo, the validator is a generic mozilla4 user agent so it gets blocked.
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