Topic: Hardcore oop enthusiast looking for appropriate framework

[andrewgauger]

Finally giving in and deciding to build off what others have crafted in lieu of developing everything from scratch.  So, I need a framework.  I have biases and opinions that are probably not factually based, so I ask others experienced with frameworks:

Which is the best framework for an experienced PHP developer to use?  I think I'm leaning towards Yii (maybe) or Zend.  Please advise.  This is not for professional developing, just my own fancy along the way.

[ignace]

IMO the most important decision you have to make is if you want a glue or a full-stack framework. A glue framework like Zend provides you with components which you can use either way you want and does not restrict you to use any of them. A full-stack like CodeIgniter (and Yii?) does the opposite, it restricts you to it's feature-set but it requires less effort on your end to write the application as bootstrapping and resource loading is all done for you (it runs out-of-the-box).

I don't think there is much else I can add to this to be more relevant to you, download a few frameworks of which you think you like and try them, create something small, amuse the masses

[ot]PS: Developers of the modern age get no respect.  We are always the blunt of jokes, the first to blame, and people hardly talk to us.  I wouldn't trade it for the world. -- love it [/ot]

[andrewgauger]

Thanks for the clarification.  I have always done everything myself and am never going to get to a new level without using a framework.  I absolutely am looking for a glue framework.  I'm thankful I asked before learning Yii wasn't what I wanted.  I had someone on public transit say they were using something like Komodo (but not Komodo, thats the IDE), or something that started with a K, but I haven't found any frameworks that start with a K.  I think I'll begin with Zend.  I'm sure I'll regret it   

[ignace]

It depends on your OO knowledge (principles, patterns) how well (or how bad) you'll get along with the Zend framework. I am currently playing with a few popular frameworks (Zend, CI, Cake, Symfony, ..) Our own CMS system runs on Zend, while one of our products runs on CodeIgniter I am going to regret this in the future, I'm sure.

[andrewgauger]

So should I use Zend Studio with Zend framework?  I'd prefer an IDE that was familiar with the context I was using.

[thorpe]

Most of the decent IDE's support frameworks simply by placing them on an include path. Sure though, if you've got the $ to fork out for Zend Studio, it looks pretty good.

[ignace]

Most of the decent IDE's support frameworks simply by placing them on an include path. Sure though, if you've got the $ to fork out for Zend Studio, it looks pretty good.

Or try Eclipse PDT, NetBeans PHP, or PHPStorm. I use the latter and is free for educational and open-source projects, $48 for a personal license.

[Alex]

I had someone on public transit say they were using something like Komodo (but not Komodo, thats the IDE), or something that started with a K, but I haven't found any frameworks that start with a K.

Kohana?