Topic: I wish to learn how to becoem a Core Hacker

[ignace]

Thank you everyone for listening to a word of our "proud" members, and now back to you dana, what do you have on-topic?

[Shockstomp]

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I agree with the guy about wannabe hackers.

I am not a hAck3r, I do not give my self a title to sound cool.

Hackers by the way are just people who modify programs to do their bidding (in a nutshell, short, sweet and to the point.)

I AM a novice/intermediate freelance programmer/network administrator and I do test my networks with brute force.

Ever since these three cinematics came out 1. Hackers, 2. The Matrix, and 3. Swordfish, people have been surfing around the net with a headphone cable duck taped to the back of their neck claiming to be a hacker.

Give it up, it's like parachute pants buddy.

My 2 cents complete.

Shockstomp

[obsidian]

Ever since these three cinematics came out 1. Hackers, 2. The Matrix, and 3. Swordfish, people have been surfing around the net with a headphone cable duck taped to the back of their neck claiming to be a hacker.

lmao... touche!

[btherl]

you could probaly learn it within 21 days with a good book or tutorial.

Im afraid no one is learning C in 21 days, whatever the title of the book says.

I disagree with this.  If you put in an hour a day for 21 days, you can achieve incredible results.  Most people who fail a "learn in X days" fail because they either didn't follow the instructions, or they didn't put in the time required.  Following instructions and doing regular practice takes inhuman patience and ego-suppression.

And if 99 out of 100 people who read the book don't learn in 21 days, that's because 99 out of 100 people are too lazy or to egotistic to put in the time and follow the instructions

[thorpe]

Ok, but, have you ever tried to learn C?

[obsidian]

I think the biggest thing is in the definition of what we mean by learning a language. If you simply mean being able to duplicate some code and understand what it's doing (along with the obvious understanding of syntax and such), yes, I'll agree that you can "learn" a language in 21 days. However, and I tend to be of this mindset, if you mean being able to do any level of intelligent problem solving and possibly some coding from scratch, no, I don't believe someone can successfully learn a language that quickly.

Now, take into account that I started PHP with one of those 21 day books, too. All I had to show for my time at the end of 21 days was some duplicated code I'd copied and modified from the examples, a knowledge of the syntax, and a basic knowledge of the principles surrounding some of the most general concepts of PHP... and I am one of those who takes my time, going through every line and page of the book

It really comes down to the level of knowledge that you want to draw the line at as far as learning a language... and obviously dependent on the intelligence level of the learner, too

[play_]

you could probaly learn it within 21 days with a good book or tutorial.

Im afraid no one is learning C in 21 days, whatever the title of the book says.

How about Sam's Teach yourself c++ in 10 minutes

[thorpe]

PHP is written in C not C++.

[neylitalo]

OK, we've gone so far off the beaten path that we're probably in the river. If one of you gentlemen is interested in continuing the "learning C or C++" discussion, please start over in the Miscellaneous forum - thanks.

And thorpe, I think he was agreeing with you - he was saying "How silly to claim to learn C++ in ten minutes!" But I could be wrong.